Discussing writing, humor, “Art” capital A & art small A with Kate Ledogar, Bukowski, having one’s mind changed, Christianity, Daryl Davis & the Ku Klux Klansman, art & community, finding one’s tribe, a willingness to offend, Project Mockingbird, cultural engineering, when art becomes propaganda, transgressive art vs. challenging art, Laibach, scapegoating, getting artistic expression back to the basics rendering to Caesar & to God, earning one’s daily bread, free speech absolutism.
Songs: “Golden Apple” & “He Doesn’t Mind It,” by Cullah; “Here's Your Ghost” by Cristina Antipa.